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Post by Scott D on Oct 31, 2007 23:16:35 GMT -5
Aw shucks, thanks guys... One thing I meant to say more clearly & didn't echo's what Steve said. I have the TT Yacht-Master (slate dial) and if I was forced to own one & only one watch (I shudder at that thought! ), the Yacht-Master would probably be the one. It would definitely be the Rolex of my choice, no question. The only question would be whether to have the two-toned that I have or the stainless steel / platinum version. But it would definitely be a Yacht-Master. I've had mine just over a year & have had zero buyers remorse. In fact, putting it on still gives the exciting feeling as if I just got it yesterday... If you haven't tried one on yet, I strongly recommend you at least give it a minute on the wrist before deciding.. And it comes in 2 sizes, full (40mm) & mid-size (well, 3 sizes if you count the ladies size). So if you don't like the large watches, th smaller one is an option to. B&V made a good point on the DJ combo's.. If you look in the Information & Resource Archives you'll see a post titled 'all the dials 2007/2008' that show the dozens of dial combo's available for the DJ. It's quite amazing how many choices you never see in the stores there are. And, to add one more comment, if after all this you still can't decide, tell the family to get them all!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by dzj on Nov 1, 2007 9:46:42 GMT -5
@ Scott: You sure know your Rolexs!!!
So I'm pricing the teo-toned Submariner and the two-toned GMT models. I find it interesting that the GMT and Sub have similar prices in the stainless, but when we go to the TT the price differential is around $1200, can anyone explain that?
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Post by dzj on Nov 1, 2007 9:50:47 GMT -5
Another thing I like about ANY of the GMT's over the Subs is that the GMT has more security enhancements, so that when I look to sell it you can more easily tell that it is authentic with the Rolex-Rolex-Rolex around the inside of the crystal/face area. I don't see that with the Subs and just like someone mentioned the ceramic bezel, I think this is part of the future of the Rolex brands.
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Post by pauleypaul on Nov 1, 2007 9:55:44 GMT -5
Hi dzj, New Sub non-date has the inner bezel engraving, and is now COSC tested. So unless you want a Sub-Date (and who can blame you!) it has the security you desire.
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Post by Scott D on Nov 1, 2007 9:57:23 GMT -5
@ Scott: You sure know your Rolexs!!! So I'm pricing the teo-toned Submariner and the two-toned GMT models. I find it interesting that the GMT and Sub have similar prices in the stainless, but when we go to the TT the price differential is around $1200, can anyone explain that? I think that's a sign I spend way to much time with the watches! ;D ;D I think (Not 100% certain, but I do believe it's so) the new TT GMT uses solid center links instead of hollow ones like the TT Sub. Since that's a bunch more gold, more dollars follow it around...
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Post by Scott D on Nov 1, 2007 9:59:47 GMT -5
Another thing I like about ANY of the GMT's over the Subs is that the GMT has more security enhancements, so that when I look to sell it you can more easily tell that it is authentic with the Rolex-Rolex-Rolex around the inside of the crystal/face area. I don't see that with the Subs and just like someone mentioned the ceramic bezel, I think this is part of the future of the Rolex brands. Well, if you're buying new from an AD AND you can hold on to the packaging, paperwork, guarantee card, etc. I wouldn't worry about resale & security. It's when you don't have all the info that people tend to get suspicious. But if you hold onto everything, then I personally wouldn't worry about it. Just hold onto everything they give you. I even still have the bags the watch was put in for all mine.
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Post by dzj on Nov 1, 2007 13:24:13 GMT -5
Well, if you're buying new from an AD AND you can hold on to the packaging, paperwork, guarantee card, etc. I wouldn't worry about resale & security. It's when you don't have all the info that people tend to get suspicious. But if you hold onto everything, then I personally wouldn't worry about it. Just hold onto everything they give you. I even still have the bags the watch was put in for all mine. Some good advice there... I plan to take care of this watch just like I do my Camaro collection...
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Post by dzj on Nov 1, 2007 13:25:08 GMT -5
@ Scott: You sure know your Rolexs!!! So I'm pricing the teo-toned Submariner and the two-toned GMT models. I find it interesting that the GMT and Sub have similar prices in the stainless, but when we go to the TT the price differential is around $1200, can anyone explain that? I think that's a sign I spend way to much time with the watches! ;D ;D I think (Not 100% certain, but I do believe it's so) the new TT GMT uses solid center links instead of hollow ones like the TT Sub. Since that's a bunch more gold, more dollars follow it around... Does the Sub also use hollow links on the SS watches?
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Post by bullandvodka on Nov 1, 2007 13:41:49 GMT -5
The current Sub model has NOT been refreshed with the solid links. Maybe Rolex will get around to it this year at Baselworld (please!). We'll have to wait till April to know more as Rolex doesn't publish roadmaps. They also tend to refresh the gold and two tone models first with the SS following a year later. So, if your heart is set on an updated SS Sub, then it will more than likely be announced in April of '09 with AD availability in July or August of '09 at the earliest.
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Post by Scott D on Nov 1, 2007 14:02:17 GMT -5
Hey dzj, As B&V said, nope, neither the SS nor TT Sub have solid centers (but the SS YM does, but not the TT).
B&V, has anyone confirmed if the quasi-resedigned 18K sub been given solid center links? I know it got the inscription on the inner bezel ring, clear sticker on the back & new warranty cards, but the bracelet clasp is still the old stamped metal. So I wonder if it's got solid or hollow center links. If they're still hollow (and if they didn't redo the clasp I bet they are) it may be beyond '09 that we see the solid center SS's.. Just a thought..
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Post by dzj on Nov 1, 2007 14:03:13 GMT -5
The current Sub model has NOT been refreshed with the solid links. Maybe Rolex will get around to it this year at Baselworld (please!). We'll have to wait till April to know more as Rolex doesn't publish roadmaps. They also tend to refresh the gold and two tone models first with the SS following a year later. So, if your heart is set on an updated SS Sub, then it will more than likely be announced in April of '09 with AD availability in July or August of '09 at the earliest. I guess that will more than likely throw the Sub out of the game, and when it comes to price between the SS Sub and GMT, there should be no choice but to go with a GMT. Also... in my latest catalogues it shows the two-toned GMT's with the inner bezel text, but does not clearly show if it is also displayed in the SS models. As of this moment, I think price-wise I'll be taking a GMT over a Sub, prices are very similar in the SS models, but the added feature that the GMT has makes it a more cleare choice... Agree?
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Post by Scott D on Nov 1, 2007 14:48:32 GMT -5
If you like the added features, than yes. If you don't like the GMT function than it's not a value....
BTW, the new SS GMT does have the iscription & revised updates such as ceramic bezel, solid links, new clasp, etc. Though not imposible to find, and it should not be selling above retail, they are still in "new model" demand mode, so may be harder to get ahold of. But they are becoming more available, so you shouldn't have to wait or search too long... Actually, I really like the TT or SS new GMT's....
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Post by dzj on Nov 3, 2007 9:51:08 GMT -5
If you like the added features, than yes. If you don't like the GMT function than it's not a value.... BTW, the new SS GMT does have the iscription & revised updates such as ceramic bezel, solid links, new clasp, etc. Though not imposible to find, and it should not be selling above retail, they are still in "new model" demand mode, so may be harder to get ahold of. But they are becoming more available, so you shouldn't have to wait or search too long... Actually, I really like the TT or SS new GMT's.... I went and tried on a TT GMT last night. It's no doubt a gorgeous watch, and the one I'd like to have my family throw 9-grand away on. We'll see how they feel about that. Anyways, I was suprised how much of a weight difference there is between the old GMT's and the new ones. Still want to see about getting the SS GMT with a black face, but just like you said Scott, they are tough to find. My AD said that to me a few times while I was there, but I always have faith in him. I also mentioned buying the LV Sub and having a black bezel placed on it, and he said Rolex refuses to do that, because he's been asked about it a few times. Must have something to do with everyone liking the LV's features?
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Post by Scott D on Nov 3, 2007 13:09:50 GMT -5
I also mentioned buying the LV Sub and having a black bezel placed on it, and he said Rolex refuses to do that, because he's been asked about it a few times. Must have something to do with everyone liking the LV's features? No, it's because Rolex is Rolex... ;D So that's partly true. If you send the LV into Rolex, than that's correct, they won't do it. You need to do it at the AD level. If your AD has a watchmaker onsite, have the AD just order the bezel insert (Rolex will ship a plain insert. It's one of the few parts they will do that with). The AD will need a standard Sub SN to order it against (my AD just pulled one out of the case to get the SN. Rolex does not track the parts, they just use the SN to insure its a part for that model). Then, once the insert comes in, the watchmaker onsite can change it for you. It's a very simple procedure. If they don't have a watchmaker onsite, you can take it to any watchmaker to have it done. Like I said, it's a simple procedure. You can even do it yourself with about 20 minutes, some tape, pocket knife & nerves.... ;D
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Post by bullandvodka on Nov 3, 2007 13:34:07 GMT -5
B&V, has anyone confirmed if the quasi-resedigned 18K sub been given solid center links? I know it got the inscription on the inner bezel ring, clear sticker on the back & new warranty cards, but the bracelet clasp is still the old stamped metal. So I wonder if it's got solid or hollow center links. If they're still hollow (and if they didn't redo the clasp I bet they are) it may be beyond '09 that we see the solid center SS's.. Just a thought.. I'm not sure. I don't remember anyone commenting on it either. I'm not currently in the market for gold so I honestly haven't looked. I've been content with my new SS GMT.. If I pop into my AD I'll see if they have a newer gold Sub in stock and check it out.
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