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Post by Aaron on Nov 16, 2007 14:33:31 GMT -5
:)Aaron How Ya doin Mate. I chose the 3570 because it's as close to the original moon Speedy you can get Hesalite is not a concern with me as itis very easy to polish should any minor scratches appear. Toothpaste and a soft cloth will do the trick. Kind Regatds Bob Hi Bob, I knew you had a Speedy but just couldn't remember which model.I also reckon you would have it on a strap. Aaron
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Post by MacDaddy on Nov 16, 2007 20:35:26 GMT -5
Lest not forget brothers that Omega Speedmasters are the only Moonwatches. At least until someone returns there. The Speedmaster X-33 is a Shuttle watch that hasn't gone more than 285 miles away from the Earth. Ha!
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Post by GJ on Nov 16, 2007 23:51:30 GMT -5
Most certainly, all Omega moon watches are cal. 321, at least for now. Fr. John+ ;D ;D ;D Here is my example ....
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Post by jmsrolls on Nov 17, 2007 1:14:44 GMT -5
A Speedy Pro is a Moonwatch Bro John and surely should be considered as such irrespective of whether a cal321 resides in it or otherwise. The cal861 and 1861 are flight-qualified after all and would have been used had NASA required more Speedmasters and the moon landings continued. I beg to differ, Br. ZIN! How can a timepiece be a moon watch until it is worn on the moon? Next thing we know, Bulova will be calling it's Buzz Aldrin LE a moon watch and it's not close to being even a "moon watch": Hopefully, a cal. 1861 will eventually make it to the lunar surface but it will have no sapphire crystal(s). Until then, only the cal. 321 has been there and back. Fr. John+
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Post by GJ on Nov 17, 2007 1:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by seanpiper on Nov 17, 2007 2:48:41 GMT -5
I see you're still struggling with this decision Aaron? Has any of this discussion pushed you in a certain direction? I haven't voted, and feel I should stay impartial I'm sure you'll make a decision that's right for you! - Sean
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Post by Houston on Nov 17, 2007 6:20:53 GMT -5
Brother John I think we are all too aware of Bulova's marketing antics but a Speedy Pro is a Moonwatch by acceptance of the fact that the Speedmaster was the official watch worn by astronauts on the moon. That Omega chose to change the movement does not make an 861 or 1861 any less in being part of the family of Moonwatches. The cal321 has more of a direct link in that it was the movement that was used in the original Moonwatch. No one disputes that though it seems to me a somewhat pompous attempt by purists to claim that only their cal321 watches have exclusive " bragging rights " to the title of Moonwatch. I'm not disputing the desirability of a cal321 since that link to history makes it very desirable among enthusiasts but it's no more than " bragging " rights". A 3570.50 would have been worn on the moon if man still toyed around with the benefits of the planet and had the X-33, G-Shock and Ironman not been in service as the other flight-qualified watches. Owners of a 145.022 or 3570.50 which are powered by the c861 and c1861 respectively do not have lesser watches on their wrist. Speedies powered by c321 may be identified as being more of the immediate family of Speedmaster Professionals but they, like their c861, 1861 and indeed 1863 cousins are all Moonwatches since they are all Speedy Pros. Please feel free to differ and there's no need to beg either Blessings and weekend wishes bro ZIN Not usually shaken nor stirred ;D ;D ;D
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Post by GJ on Nov 17, 2007 7:39:40 GMT -5
Owners of a 145.022 or 3570.50 which are powered by the c861 and c1861 respectively do not have lesser watches on their wrist. Of course they haven't, but this discussion is not about better watches.. But about which Omega made it to the Moon, and that was the cal.321 Speedy. In the future when we go to the Moon the Hesalite Speedy will go there without any doubt. But for now the one and only ''true'' Moonwatch is a cal.321. Yeah, I know....purist talk again... lets face it Zin, you need a .321.. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Aaron on Nov 17, 2007 7:43:47 GMT -5
I see you're still struggling with this decision Aaron? Sean I must admitt that I am still struggling with a Speedy full stop as I have been a many times over Seamaster owner and I still really like the Bond Chrono. What ever the next watch will be you can guarantee that it will be an Omega.Seven has to be a lucky number. Aaron
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Post by MacDaddy on Nov 17, 2007 7:44:16 GMT -5
If we all want to be technical and totally purist, only 12 Omega Speedmaster Professional watches have ever made it to the surface of the moon. And they were c321 only. But... because they UPGRADED the movements doesn't mean they are less of the "Moonwatch" model. Everything else is the same. They also upgraded the Lunar Modules and Space Suits as they went along. That doesn't mean the Lunar Modules at NASA, the Johnson space center, Smithsonian and other museums are any less of a Lunar Module because they weren't the same configuration as the older ones.
Actually, only 11 really "made it to the surface" because Neil Armstrong's Speedy was left in the lunar module because the famed, prestigious, begging to make their watch the "moonwatch" company Bulova's system clocked FAILED, so he left it their as a backup. One smart astronaut.
Bulova tried and tried and tried to get flight status issue, but they just couldn't cut the mustard. They failed, and failed and failed.
Had G-Shock and Ironman been around back then, they still wouldn't have made the grade. At that point, NASA didn't know how electronic watches would have reacted and they weren't about to take a chance back then. They didn't even think that automatics would work in zero gravity. Autos do work because they are based on centrifugal force rather than gravity. In a time where they were counting how many Band-Aid's were in the first aid kit (getting to the moon was all about weight, speed and trajectory), it didn't make sense to experiment with other watches. They had a bit more on their minds than what watch company would hold the trophy. Also, the mind-set in the Apollo era was really nuts and bolts from WWII, not the computer/electronic age. Everything really was nut and bolt, wire to wire circuit construction. Even the computers. The Space Shuttle was pretty much constructed the same way. They only retrofitted it with electronic, touch sensitive panels in the cockpit only about eight years ago.
The new rockets from Project Orion, the Ares rocket, is being made for the electronic age. The command module's instrumentation is all flat panel touch screens from what I've seen so far. It should be cool. And from what I've heard so far, Omega is working on a new Speedmaster for the new Moon and Mars missions.
IMHO, I think that Omega pulled the X-33 because of poor sales to the consumer base, but is still under contract to NASA. They probably pulled them so as to not have to support as many for maintenance and repair in the future.
Another note: The only other watch that is approved and under contract to NASA is the Marathon Divers watch (quartz version). They do make an automatic version, but NASA's divers use the quartz one.
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Post by Aaron on Nov 17, 2007 7:53:46 GMT -5
If we all want to be technical and totally purist, only 12 Omega Speedmaster Professional watches have ever made it to the surface of the moon. And they were c321 only. But... because they UPGRADED the movements doesn't mean they are less of the "Moonwatch" model. Everything else is the same. They also upgraded the Lunar Modules and Space Suits as they went along. That doesn't mean the Lunar Modules at NASA, the Johnson space center, Smithsonian and other museums are any less of a Lunar Module because they weren't the same configuration as the older ones. Actually, only 11 really "made it to the surface" because Neil Armstrong's Speedy was left in the lunar module because the famed, prestigious, begging to make their watch the "moonwatch" company Bulova's system clocked FAILED, so he left it their as a backup. One smart astronaut. Bulova tried and tried and tried to get flight status issue, but they just couldn't cut the mustard. They failed, and failed and failed. Had G-Shock and Ironman been around back then, they still wouldn't have made the grade. At that point, NASA didn't know how electronic watches would have reacted and they weren't about to take a chance back then. They didn't even think that automatics would work in zero gravity. Autos do work because they are based on centrifugal force rather than gravity. In a time where they were counting how many Band-Aid's were in the first aid kit (getting to the moon was all about weight, speed and trajectory), it didn't make sense to experiment with other watches. They had a bit more on their minds than what watch company would hold the trophy. Also, the mind-set in the Apollo era was really nuts and bolts from WWII, not the computer/electronic age. Everything really was nut and bolt, wire to wire circuit construction. Even the computers. The Space Shuttle was pretty much constructed the same way. They only retrofitted it with electronic, touch sensitive panels in the cockpit only about eight years ago. The new rockets from Project Orion, the Ares rocket, is being made for the electronic age. The command module's instrumentation is all flat panel touch screens from what I've seen so far. It should be cool. And from what I've heard so far, Omega is working on a new Speedmaster for the new Moon and Mars missions. IMHO, I think that Omega pulled the X-33 because of poor sales to the consumer base, but is still under contract to NASA. They probably pulled them so as to not have to support as many for maintenance and repair in the future. Another note: The only other watch that is approved and under contract to NASA is the Marathon Divers watch (quartz version). They do make an automatic version, but NASA's divers use the quartz one. I take it you may have an interest in Space travel. ;D Great info,I just love hearing about NASA. Aaron
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Post by GJ on Nov 17, 2007 8:00:43 GMT -5
Indeed macdaddy, great info... And your are right about the purist thing.. There are only 12 real Moonwatches, they are impossible to get so a common cal.321 Speedy is as close as we can get. But again, they are not ''better'' then modern versions...
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Post by diver88 on Nov 17, 2007 8:07:56 GMT -5
Aaron, if I were buying one of those two... it would probably be the sapphire 73 version. I think. part of me says the 70 version, I can see why you'd have the question, I suppose I would like to try both on and compare at the same time and see which actually speaks to me, I'm sure the "one" would become apparent at that time. diver88
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Post by Aaron on Nov 17, 2007 8:19:53 GMT -5
Hi T, It's hard to hear the Speedies speaking as the Seamasters won't stop heckling. Aaron
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Post by Houston on Nov 17, 2007 8:20:24 GMT -5
Indeed macdaddy, great info... And your are right about the purist thing.. There are only 12 real Moonwatches, they are impossible to get so a common cal.321 Speedy is as close as we can get. But again, they are not ''better'' then modern versions... My point exactly though purists would seem to claim that only their c321s are Moonwatches. They aren't as Mr MacDaddy and I have attempted to point out. They may be more closely related to the Original Eleven but they are not the only Moonwatch. Actually while I would possibly like a 145.012, I would not necessarily place it higher on my wish list than say a a Gemini IV LE for instance, since aesthetically, I consider the latter to be more desirable. Be well pal ZIN Not usually shaken nor stirred ;D ;D ;D
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