Authorized Dealers vs. Non-AD's

[dzj]

Can somebody go through the list of differences on the AD and Non-AD arguments for me?

[JBHII]

dzj said:

Can somebody go through the list of differences on the AD and Non-AD arguments for me?

It usually comes down to price (cheaper with a non-AD) vs. warranty support (a watch purchased from a non-AD will not have any free warranty support for the 2 year warranty period you get when buying from an AD.

[dzj]

Thanks for the help John...

Lats night I was told of this shop that sold used Rolexes near-by my home, and I was thinking of taking a look. I know from giving Rolex USA a call that they are not an AD, and that alone was making me very leary.

I haven't gone there yet, but apparently they have some "after market" faces and bezels they will add to the watches too. I want an all original Rolex, and not some "after market" chocked full with diamonds and what not.

Anyways... I'm looking for some good arguments between the buying new/pre-loved from an AD and buying "new"/pre-loved from a non-authorized AD. Is there some good argumentive points out there? I clearly understand that if I am buying new (which I plan), that going through an AD is the only logical way, but what about buying pre-loved?

[mike]

dzj said:

Anyways... I'm looking for some good arguments between the buying new/pre-loved from an AD and buying "new"/pre-loved from a non-authorized AD. Is there some good argumentive points out there? I clearly understand that if I am buying new (which I plan), that going through an AD is the only logical way, but what about buying pre-loved?

Well, as stated if buying new from an AD vs. buying from a "grey" The issue (s) are one of price (though depending on your relationship with your AD and the reference that may narrow), and one of after sales support.

Unlike Rolex in the rest of the world RUSA warranties a new watch to the original purchaser only,



This may or may not be an issue depending on if warranty work (including regulation) is needed.

Buying "pre-loved" has some advantages assuming the watch is 1. all correct and 2. in good working order. Certainly there are some wonderfull pre-owned watches out there that can be a savings over the new counterpart.
The warranty issue at that point is rendered moot at that point since you would not be the original owner.
If buying pre-owned, knowing the age and condition of the watch can be important in that service issues might come into play.
Rolex will replace any parts not deemed genuine and correct for that reference if submitted to an RSC for service.
If the watch is to serviced through an AD, I would inquire if the AD has a Rolex trained watchmaker with a parts account and the correct pressure equiment for the reference.

Good luck!!

[dzj]

Alright, I went down and looked at the watches I was told to take a look at. The one was a Two-tone Blue Submarnier with an F-series serial on the paperwork, it was a white color face with diamonds and saphires (Anyone seen one of these before? Aftermarket work?) Being that this is an F-series, it isn't under any warranty anymore. But would more than likely need an overhaul because of the age, the dealer said it he just "cleaned it up." Not knowing what cleaning it up means (other than greasign the inside), compared to a legitament full overhaul by Quality Tyme; if I were to buy that it'd be sent away, and on top of the over-priced $7300 he wants, I'd have to add another $500. Worth it or not?

The guy also had an early Z-series Green anniversary Submarnier, a watch I'd be interested in more than not. But he wanted a lot of money for it still, as he wanted $4500. The warranty is up, and although he has all of the papers, what good is it when I can get a ne wone for $5000?

I still standing my ground on an anniversary Stainless GMT II!!!

But nonetheless, I believe that the question i first asked about comparing AD's and NAD's is a valid question that some of us new folk would/could use some information on, and perhps this could be added to the buying guide as well.

[mike]

The dial you're describing on the TT may be a serti dial. They are genuine.

A Z LV for 4.5K is pretty good! Is this a new watch? If so it will carry a full warranty. If used that's still not bad at all. New Zs are still in the stores. 5K for a brand new LV is a great deal IMO. Retail is about 5.5K I believe.

If however the 116710 is what you really want, best to get the one that really sings to you.
It's really a great watch.

[boscoe]

When it comes down to used, I don't think it makes a difference whether you go AD or non-AD since both sellers offer warranties on their watches. And it's my understanding Rolex USA will not honor the original warranty on a resold watch - even if it is less than 2 years old.

So go for price on a used timepiece. Just make sure the seller is reputable. Also many gray market dealers offer LONGER warranties than Rolex on new watches.

But due to the prickly nature of Rolex, I wouldn't consider buying a new Coronet from anyone but an AD. Can't say that about other brands.

[timefinder]

4.5K on an LV. That IS a good deal. I have not seen any less than 5K. And Mike is correct. MSRP is $5525. Most ADs will not discount the LV either due to its "limited" nature.

Let us know what you decide or if you have more questions.

[Scott D]

Hey dzj,

Here's my 2 cents on AD vs. non-AD:

New watches:
The obvious issue, warranty. AD makes the most sense so you can take advantage of the Rolex 2 year warranty. However, there are several reputable gray dealers that offer as long or longer warranties than Rolex. And, there are tons of 'Rolex qualified' watchmakers. So gray could be good if 1) the price is good enough, 2) the warranty is as good or better and 3) you research the company & they are a reputable company. Keep in mind a non-AD purchase may get you a bit less on resale, but that will diminish over time. It's a personal issue, but for me on a new Rolex an AD is the way to go.

Used Watches:
No warranty from Rolex either way, so buy from the dealer that 1) has a good reputation / has been around awhile (check some of our sponsors, they're great resources for many Rolexes) 2) either has a watchmaker onsite or a set arrangement with one 3) offers you some kind of warranty, at least 6 months.

Regarding the LV, 4.5K for a pre-owned isn't bad, about 18% off. BUT, as the LV is becoming much more prevalent in stores you may be able to get 5-8% off a new one. Do they offer any warranty? If so, than it may be a good deal. If not, I'd walk away....

The $7300 Sub price actually isn't bad if that's a Serti dial (which from the way you described it is) if that's what you're looking for. I can't remember the retail, but I want to say $9K or so. If your looking for those, I'd definitely check the Rolex sponsors we have here. They usually have some, and if not contact them - they can maybe get one for you.

Good luck!

[idriveanm5]

Pricing seems a bit out of line, except for on the LV Sub.

I agree with Mike.