|
|
Post by timefinder on Aug 30, 2007 21:01:28 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by boscoe on Aug 30, 2007 22:23:36 GMT -5
There are other Swiss movements in the pipeline. Sellita, for one, already has a 2824 on the market (used in Invicta & Breitling and some other brands) and a 7750 in the works.
|
|
|
|
Post by bullosa on Aug 30, 2007 23:02:45 GMT -5
I can tell you but then I will have to kill you after...LOL...j/k....Ball could;
1) collobrate with other Swiss non-Swatch manufacturers to develop an alternative to ETA. There are a few other Swiss movements.
2) Ball Calibre
3) Ball could sell out to Nick Hayek and still pack ETA movements.
Personally I think ETA should be the one worrying. LOL. They are going to lose a substantial chunk of their business. Sellita is now a goldmine with this change.
|
|
|
|
Post by timefinder on Aug 30, 2007 23:06:07 GMT -5
Mr. Bullosa: Ball has their own caliber, or are working on it? And I have to admit, I am not to familiar with Sellita. Is there a website I could read up on them? Thanks for the replies Boscoe & Bullosa!!!  |
|
|
|
Post by bullosa on Aug 30, 2007 23:10:50 GMT -5
Yes, Ball's Trainmaster TMT comes with a Ball Calibre 9018. Their Trainmaster Dual Time comes with Calibre TT651. Ball is reported to be working on new Calibres.
|
|
Marc Levesque Time2watch
Guest
|
Post by Marc Levesque Time2watch on Aug 31, 2007 14:47:29 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
Let me clarify somthing here.
ETA will no longer sell movement blanks, but will continue to sell finished movements. This should not affect Ball at all.
You see a company like IWC, Ulysse Nardin, Omega and the like will have problems since they only purchase base calibers (called blanks). There are unfinished base plates with just a few parts. These companies then add their modified or their own parts to complete the movement. They would not have to buy a complete movement and then get rid of what they do not want. ETA will also offer to manufacture complete movements to companies' exact specifications, but of course at a price.
As for Ball. They pretty much use the complete ETA movement, though they do regulate them to a certain degree. Theire thermometer complications may be a problem and their linear power reserve indicators may as well, but if I am not mistaken, these are modules added to the standard ETA calibers.
I am not worried for Ball. All will be well...
Marc
Time2watch
|
|
|
|
Post by foghorn on Aug 31, 2007 15:04:02 GMT -5
Buying a finished movement instead of an unfinished (ebauche) will however be more costly and those that continue with ETA will have price increases related to the ETA decision,
|
|
|
|
Post by scosgt on Aug 31, 2007 18:21:18 GMT -5
But isn't Omega owned by Swatch? Hi Guys, Let me clarify somthing here. ETA will no longer sell movement blanks, but will continue to sell finished movements. This should not affect Ball at all. You see a company like IWC, Ulysse Nardin, Omega and the like will have problems since they only purchase base calibers (called blanks). There are unfinished base plates with just a few parts. These companies then add their modified or their own parts to complete the movement. They would not have to buy a complete movement and then get rid of what they do not want. ETA will also offer to manufacture complete movements to companies' exact specifications, but of course at a price. As for Ball. They pretty much use the complete ETA movement, though they do regulate them to a certain degree. Theire thermometer complications may be a problem and their linear power reserve indicators may as well, but if I am not mistaken, these are modules added to the standard ETA calibers. I am not worried for Ball. All will be well... Marc Time2watch |
|
|
|
Post by ltgary on Aug 31, 2007 19:24:47 GMT -5
 Omega wasnt the best example to use because as a member company of the Swatch Group they will not be affected at all. One of the reasons for the change was to keep the bulk of the ETA movements for use by the house brands.
|
|
|
|
Post by Time2watch on Sept 1, 2007 8:20:46 GMT -5
I agree, Omega might not have been a good example, but they do have a new movement now and I bet in a couple of years they will phase out their ETA dependencies...
|
|
|
|
Post by Jeremy from Ball on Sept 7, 2007 11:13:55 GMT -5
We are not expecting any difficulties with ETA movements.
Meanwhile, we are currently expanding our in-house capacities. The Ball calibres are Ball in-house modifications. Current calibres include the 9018 TMT (mechanical thermometer), 651 Dual Time, 9035 GMT Power Reserve, 963 Moon Phase, and 250 Single-button Chronograph.
New calibres are the 350 Single-button Chronograph with Triple Date, 351 Triple Date Chronograph, 293 Dual Time with UTC Indication and Date Warning System, 124 UTC Indication with Date Warning System and the 2050 45-minute Chronograph.
Regards,
Jeremy Hogan
Ball Watch Company
|
|
|
|
Post by timefinder on Sept 7, 2007 12:25:22 GMT -5
 WOW When will the new calibres enter the market? I realize this is a topic of debate; but, will they be COSC? Just curious. Thanks. |
|
|
|
Post by CalDiver on Sept 14, 2007 15:16:09 GMT -5
The new calibers are entering the market now--for instance the 124 will be used to power the soon-to-be-released Night Train.
|
|
|
|
Post by timefinder on Sept 14, 2007 16:58:30 GMT -5
Night Train? Is it coming out by the end of the year? I understand that Ball is introducing a dual time Trainmaster Cleveland Express by the end of the year as well; but, I have no verification or material to support the claim.
|
|
WOW 