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Post by JBHII on Dec 17, 2004 9:23:02 GMT -5
The Omega (2599.80) is 41mm, sapphire crystal, bracelet, but no see threw back. BUT it is $1999............I just gotta think it's a better long term investment with lower risk than the new Invicta. As for limited production.......I don't know what that means except I read that Invicta has had terrible problems with thei r previos trys at this gimmick. Bad production, more made than advertised, no certificate, no proof etc. I think most of the watchs I listed only miss the see threw back, maybe a rubber strap insted of a bracelet, and no "linited" claim. I have finally received my new 8926 and think this is where Invicta belongs..........a good, cheap, value for the money. Seems they are trying to hard to be another Rolex (or ?). Thanks Well, comparing a chronograph is comparing apples and orages to begin with IMHO. Of course, many would chafe at comparing any two watches, but I digress... From what I've seen, these Speedways are stamped right on the case "# of 500." I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your line of thinking. But Rolex, Omega, Breitling, etc. all didn't start out making luxury time pieces of exceptional quality, exclusivity, and reputation. They started making just watches. Invicta is trying to satisfy what they see as a niche marketplace in which they can compete. Who's to say whether or not they should? They seem to have "licked" the low end of the market. Maybe it's time to expand their horrizons? John
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Post by OompaLupah on Dec 17, 2004 12:11:43 GMT -5
As an owner of the Omega you listed I can say that the feel & substance of the Speedway is greater. The reason I compare it to a Breitling is because when you put the Speedway in your hand, Breitling is what first comes to mind because of the size, and massive weight.
If you wanted to have a truer comparison you'd have to compare the Omega SMP Chrono to the Speedway, and you won't touch a SMPC for anywhere near $1999.
The only real comparison could be on the level of the movement since the case/bracelet/etc are totally different. So to compare to other ETA 2894-2's here we go....
TAG Heuer Monaco Chrono SS/SS 38mm: $3292 (movement not as elaborate)
Doxa 200 T Graph Limited Edition, (non elaborate movement from a manufacture in some cases less known than Invicta) $3,000
Ventura V Matic (perlage mvmt) $2800
Longines Evidenza (solid case back, no idea of decoration on mvmt) $2350
And I won't even bother getting into the "big names" who use this movement and charge much more... I think you see my point.
Buy one and see for yourself, if you don't love it you know you can always return it for a refund... so what have you lost?
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Post by DavidHernandez on Dec 17, 2004 12:23:35 GMT -5
Jim (Oompa): first and foremost, I agree with your assessment.
What I personally don't like about the pricing (and the Limited Edition designation) is that Invicta is known for being a niche market product. They have always helped the 'little guy' own a fine piece of jewelry at amazing prices. For me, that's why I own 3 Invicta's and want 2 more---it's not out of my range to spend $110 to $200 per year to treat myself.
With the pricing of the Automatic Speedway set at $2,000, I don't expect to ever have a chance to own one. That's a shame. Others will be more fortunate, but I'll bet there are more of 'me' out there than there are of 'you'. What Invicta gains in initial pricing they will lose in volume.
I say "cater to the little guy," and let everyone have an opportunity for this kind of quality.
Dave
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Post by JBHII on Dec 17, 2004 13:08:34 GMT -5
Jim (Oompa): first and foremost, I agree with your assessment. What I personally don't like about the pricing (and the Limited Edition designation) is that Invicta is known for being a niche market product. They have always helped the 'little guy' own a fine piece of jewelry at amazing prices. For me, that's why I own 3 Invicta's and want 2 more---it's not out of my range to spend $110 to $200 per year to treat myself. With the pricing of the Automatic Speedway set at $2,000, I don't expect to ever have a chance to own one. That's a shame. Others will be more fortunate, but I'll bet there are more of 'me' out there than there are of 'you'. What Invicta gains in initial pricing they will lose in volume. I say "cater to the little guy," and let everyone have an opportunity for this kind of quality. Dave David, I see your point, and certainly share lamenting.... I wish my new Daytona would have only been a hundred bucks. OK, OK....two hundred. The whole price/cost/value of watches is a slipery slope on which to stand. When you look at what's going into the COSC Speedway, you see that relative to other, at least somewhat comparable watches, the COSC Speedway isn't out of the ball park. But of course, if you've never bought anything other than an 89xx Invicta, that's got to be some sticker shock. That said, I'd like to see Invicta produce a 9212 - like auto Speedway - just put a basic Valjoux 7750 in, no COSC certification, with modest decoration visable via the display back. Price such a watch at under $800.00 street price, and I think it would do quite well. John
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Post by JBHII on Dec 17, 2004 13:11:34 GMT -5
As an owner of the Omega you listed I can say that the feel & substance of the Speedway is greater. The reason I compare it to a Breitling is because when you put the Speedway in your hand, Breitling is what first comes to mind because of the size, and massive weight. I look foward to seeing if I agree with this assessment. That's pretty high praise indeed. John
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Post by OompaLupah on Dec 17, 2004 13:34:57 GMT -5
I have to agree with John on his analysis.
Invicta is doing what many collectors are doing... slowly moving up in quality and price. Most collectors that I know start off inexpensive, but after a few uears get into spending more with each watch purchase. Invicta still offers $89 Pro Divers, $300 Swiss movement pieces, $800-$1200 LE pieces, and now opens up into midrange stuff at about $2,000.
Compare an 8926 to ANY automatic, 200M w/r, 316L SS watch out there, and they are far less expensive. Good value for the dollar.
Compare a 9937 or 2014 to any Swiss ETA powered 200M w/r, 316L SS dive watch out there with upgrades such as Sapphire crystals and the Invicta once again comes out as a higher value.
Now compare a $2,000 Swiss Made Limited Edition ETA 2894 with all high grade components, and the presence it has to ANY other watch that is similar, and the Invicta will once again be a greater value.
Is the Speedway a Panerai? Is it a Seadweller? NO, but it is not trying to be. When compared to similar watches it will be selling for far less and will IMO compare quality-wise very favorably.
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Post by DavidHernandez on Dec 17, 2004 14:14:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm being a whiner and complainer... I really wanted one of these. Anyway, I agree with John that an Automatic 9212 for 800 would find it's way to my wrist. And Jim, I see your point about moving up the scale. Perhaps at some point Invicta will offer a solid 14 or 18k yellow gold Automatic Speedway for $8,000, or a TT for between $5,000 and $8,000. I'm living in a fast food society, and I want it now. dave
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Post by Pat McCarthy on Dec 17, 2004 15:51:58 GMT -5
. . . Is the Speedway a Panerai? Is it a Seadweller? NO, but it is not trying to be. When compared to similar watches it will be selling for far less and will IMO compare quality-wise very favorably. This is the whole issue here. Sure, I wanted this watch at $1,200, but even at the $2K price point I think I'm getting a good deal. My direct comparison is with the Longines Jim mentioned which is a really nice watch, vizI've been holding off on acquiring one of these waiting on the new Speedway. If it turns out as good as Jim says it is, I'm ready to purchase. Of course, that raises the question of quality - but you've got to remember that I've had NO problems with my Invictas, and besides - I know Jim and JBHII! ;D ;D How could I go wrong?
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Post by Pete on Dec 17, 2004 16:39:00 GMT -5
I suspect even at 2K, there will be people left holding out their money after they are all sold.
-Pete
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