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Post by Scott D on Oct 11, 2007 13:55:00 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm considering a navitimer for my collection. Actually, I've already decided I want one - the question is which one[/i]... I've narrowed it down to 3 models... I looked at a few of the other models, such as the Heritage and the new Legende, and while I really like those, I don't want an integrated bracelet as I want the option to use a croco strap in addition to the bracelet. If not, I think the new Legende would be the perfect one.. But alas - no leather so it's not... Also, I've decided I want the standard black dial. So, with that which of the following 3 models do you like best??? Model #1 - The standard, timeless & classic - NavitimerThe original one. The flagship of the Navitimers, with it's white outer ring and subdials.... An absolute classic. Model # 2 - The Navitimer World. At 46mm it's slightly larger than the standards 41.8mm, which is always a plus for me. But subdials are black instead of white.. The only substantial cosmetic difference, except the GMT hand. Model # 3 - The standard Navitimer in two-toneSame great watch as the standard Navitimer, but with a two-toned bracelet & gold bezel & hands to add a bit of dress. So that's it. From an astetics position, which do you all like better? The size isn't important, though I do like the larger size of the world better, but 42 is still good. I also like the two-tone, but I also like the history in the standard... Uggghhhh - Decision, decisions... Hep me out here guys....
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Post by Houston on Oct 11, 2007 14:58:15 GMT -5
Well Amigo Three eh? Well this looks like a process of elimination. First out is no3 - can't handle all those colors and the shades of gold do not match. No 2 is difficult to read. So I guess it's No 1 BUT my choice would be You-Know-What See ya pal ZIN Not usually shaken nor stirred ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Scott D on Oct 11, 2007 15:21:29 GMT -5
Hey pal, So you don't like the gold heh? Well, I guess you're not a 'golden boy'.. ;D (after all, blooo is your color ). #2 is a little more difficult to read, but the size is nice... And you-know-what isn't an option on the poll.... So chalk one vote up for #1.. Thanks pal!
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Post by Houston on Oct 11, 2007 16:02:17 GMT -5
Heh, Heh Thought I might find you here pal. I got news for ya. The poll is wrong. It missed out the bestest watch of them all Yeah, y'know which one " There Is No Alternative " Be well amigo ZIN Not usually shaken nor stirred ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Scott D on Oct 11, 2007 16:16:04 GMT -5
Heh, Heh " There Is No Alternative " Be well amigo ZIN Not usually shaken nor stirred ;D ;D ;D You're absolutely right , and it's a B B B Hey - it's the BBB sandbox, and that's the rulez, I didn't make 'em, I just live 'em....... Well, maybe I did make the rule... ;D ;D ;D See ya bud!
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Post by Scott D on Oct 12, 2007 6:31:01 GMT -5
I would have gone for the third one, if the crown and pushers were gold. Now it looks like they ran out of gold pushers and just replaced it with SS instead So my vote is the first one. Number two is way to busy IMHO... You know, I wondered the same thing... I don't know why they didn't make them gold as well... So #2's too busy heh?? They're all busy pal... ;D ;D Thanks for the thoughts!
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Post by rickatkins on Oct 12, 2007 8:53:33 GMT -5
Hey Scott, First of all, great choice on the Navitimer. A true classic in any of it's guises. Secondly, I have tried all of these on in the past and I prefer the shear 46 mm presence and 2nd time zone feature of the World. Finally, I personally did not like the TT Navitimer but I did like all of the SS versions. Have you considered the Cosmanaute? I always liked the 24 hour dial which would be a nice novelty in your collection I believe. Then, of course, there's the new Legende. Happy hunting and I can't wait to see the pictures you deliver, which will surely do the watch of choice better justice than the press photos you included. ;D Rick.
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Post by GJ on Oct 12, 2007 12:20:03 GMT -5
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Post by Scott D on Oct 12, 2007 14:22:54 GMT -5
Hey Rick, Well I do like the World's size - you know me with the large diameters. However, on a black strap the white subdials do look better than the black. Or should I say an all black dial or dial with white subdials would look better. With the white outer ring & black subdials, it's not as nice ascetically, but on the plus side it's got that size.. I do like the Legende, and that would probably be the one if it didn't have an integrated bracelet. But as I want the option of a bracelet or croco strap, that's not an option for me. And the Cosmonaut, while nice I can't get used to a 24 hour hand... So, chalk up Rick & GJ's vote for #1... Boy - not many TT guys here.. Where's Ron??? ;D
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Post by O2AFAC67 on Oct 13, 2007 20:52:27 GMT -5
Hey Rick, Well I do like the World's size - you know me with the large diameters. However, on a black strap the white subdials do look better than the black. Or should I say an all black dial or dial with white subdials would look better. With the white outer ring & black subdials, it's not as nice ascetically, but on the plus side it's got that size.. I do like the Legende, and that would probably be the one if it didn't have an integrated bracelet. But as I want the option of a bracelet or croco strap, that's not an option for me. And the Cosmonaut, while nice I can't get used to a 24 hour hand... So, chalk up Rick & GJ's vote for #1... Boy - not many TT guys here.. Where's Ron??? ;D on this one the other day but didn't take time to elaborate. My choice here would be the "World" and that was my vote. I know most enthusiasts prefer the tri-compax subdial configuration but I like the 6, 9, 12 configuration much better. My wife and I agree that the 6,9,12 configuration aesthetically "balances" the crown and pusher position arrangement. Additionaly, I really like the "quick-set date" complication on most all Breitlings and I lament the loss of it when the B13 caliber became the B23 caliber for the late model tri-compax Navi's. I also love the GMT complication and 24hr markings on the "World". The black subdials on black dial remind me of many early vintage 806's with black on black and I like that also. Same color subs such as those on the graphite dial EVO and my blue dial Crosswind are more elegant in appearance IMHO. BTW, one of the reasons, probably THE reason I don't have a World in the collection is my four Navi's and Cosmo's at 41.5mm suddenly seem way too small for my wrist after having a World strapped on it. Wrist time for those pieces would drop dramatically and immediately if I pulled the trigger on a World. Probably doesn't make sense for me to say I prefer the tri-compas on the Cosmo's but not on the 12 hr dial Navi's. I much prefer my B13 Old Navitimers over the new B23 Navi's and the World takes that preference to the correct conclusion. All Just MHO of course... Cheers, Ron
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Post by Scott D on Oct 13, 2007 21:06:52 GMT -5
Hey Ron, Thanks for the detailed data... Some new things to think about there I hadn't before, like the balance of the subs at 6, 9, 12 & the pushers..... So, just the clarify, the standard Navitimer (B23) doesn't have a quickset date? So if today's the 10th, and the calendar says 12th, I need to run the hands around 58 times to get to the 10th? Did I understand that right? If so I don't think I like that. Hey - and no worries about getting a World.. If you're others stop getting wrist time you know the address to send them to... I'll make sure they get the proper attention they deserve ;D
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Post by Scott D on Oct 13, 2007 21:36:23 GMT -5
So #2's too busy heh?? They're all busy pal... ;D ;D The only one I REALLYYYY like, and not busy at all Ahhh yes..... That is VERY nice.. I believe martyn has one and someone else is getting one this weekend if I remember right... But hey - that ain't no Navitimer.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by O2AFAC67 on Oct 13, 2007 22:45:15 GMT -5
Hey Ron, Thanks for the detailed data... Some new things to think about there I hadn't before, like the balance of the subs at 6, 9, 12 & the pushers..... So, just the clarify, the standard Navitimer (B23) doesn't have a quickset date? So if today's the 10th, and the calendar says 12th, I need to run the hands around 58 times to get to the 10th? Did I understand that right? If so I don't think I like that. Hey - and no worries about getting a World.. If you're others stop getting wrist time you know the address to send them to... I'll make sure they get the proper attention they deserve ;D Hi, Scott. Wish I could be specific on the answer. I think your 58 time assumption may be correct. Because all my chronos (except the B-1) have quickset, the issue has never arisen for me. I think I recall my cal B13 7750's flipping the date "back" if I wound the hands CCW around midnite but I also think I recall being able to alternate the hands between about 8 pm and 2 am going back and forth while each time advancing the date on one or another. I just don't remember. Heck, that might have been on some other watch anyway. I'm not going to go run a test on them to see. I know some of our members can correctly answer the question. Meanwhile, one other point about the World.. Altan Erdem has a black dial World and I was surprised at how easy the subs were to read, no glare or light angle issue. This is direct contrast to my white dial Cosmo on which the subs are very difficult to read from many light and viewing angles. Just a strange contradiction. The black subs on my EVO are like the World, very easy to read from any angle. Not so the Cosmo. Quit mucking about and get the World. I"ll trade one of my Navi's dead even with you for it. LOL. Cheers, Ron
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Post by Scott D on Oct 14, 2007 8:56:19 GMT -5
HA! Thanks pal - generous of you..! Thanks for the info.. You know, I was debating the slate chronomat evo originally (took it off the lit as I already have the Crosswind & want a more truely 'pilot' style), so I guess that would be the same issue. I think what throws me here is the white outer ring at the slide rule. Don't blame you for not wanting to test it.. I'll check at the AD to confirm. I guess in the end it's a small factor in the decision, and just a small pain if it turns out to be the watch I want. I do like the size, and it would be my new largest watch (currently the PO 45 has that honor).. Also, I tried one on with the black croco and it wasn't that nice due to the large amount of black. But I see in the Chronolog they have it on a brown, so I may see if I can find that to try on. Maybe the brown would look better, and I'm really starting to like the nice dark brown straps... ugh.... I was ready to take the World off the list..... Now I gotta go back & try it on again.... I know boohoo, I gotta go back to the AD & try on watches... So- at this point still no one likes the two toned huh??? I'm a little surprised.. I actually thought it looked rather nice, especially on a croco.
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Post by muttley on Oct 15, 2007 2:41:38 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to be a pain & ask, what about the Navitimer World with the blue face (and blue calfskin strap)? Stunning (IMHO of course). Since it's not in your list of options (possibly because of you already having a wonderful blue superocean?), I have cast my vote for the navi world (option 2). Cheers - whatever you get I'm sure it will be great! P.s here's a pic of what I'm bending your ear (eyes) about....
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